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[Unfair Advantage]

I was reading on KSL about wolf attacks on livestock and at least 5-6 killings of lambs or other sheep.  With the Wolf just making it off of the endangered list in Northern Utah or Southern Idaho,  Should they stay?  Or should they be rejected from entering Utah?

[blucrikmuley]

NO!! HEEL NO!!  Idaho  and i beleive Montana both had wolf hunts this year and both the quotas were filled. wolves do too much damage to elk and deer herds. i don't thing in this day and age with all tree huggin enviromentalists we would be allowed to control wolf numbers at a good level and they would be out of control in 10 years or less. most hunters i beleive are anti wolf, as they should be.

[foreverbowhunter]

i freaking hate wolfs they  kill so many elk and whats going to happen when the wolfs start comeing in to citys? i know if i see one its going down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dustin]

I had read a article a while back about wolves being senseless killers, it talked about how a pack of wolves will take down an elk, dear, cows or other livestock and then just leave it. There were also some stories about the wolves killing dogs and cats. I think there was a reason the wolves ended up on the endangered list and it because people just got fed up. I would hate to see any animal become extinct but there also needs to be some control on population.

[blucrikmuley]

in todays game managment sysytem i don't think there is room for the wolf because they can't be mananged. there would be to many politics involved and while we were trying to decide the right course of action the wolf would be out of control. the people who would suffer the most are the ranchers, farmers and the sportsman.

[Unfair Advantage]

I would hate to see any animal become extinct but there also needs to be some control on population.

I agree completely, It wouldn't be wishing extinction on any thing wolves still have thier place.  But I am not so sure it is in a State that is working so hard or has worked so hard to becoming the premier state for Elk or even deer for that matter.  When one tag for elk or deer can go for $100,000 at auction.  What does that say when so many trophies are being taken from here.  that is alot more than the $45 I paid for my tags this year.  I like that kind of attention.  Introducing a pack-hunting super predator, that will knowingly wreak havoc on a hard built Elk and Deer population.  Sounds like all of that extra money people pay for mega tags won't be there if the wolves do the hunting for us.  What will that do to hunting across the state when big money for premier tags just dries up?  Wolves are pretty,  But I think I agree with the guy who said, "if they want to see one they should drive to Montana"

Wolf=good,  Wolf in Utah=Not so much 

[Dustin]

there was another article in the sltrib yesterday about this same thing. Take some time to read the comments.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/49994309-82/wolves-wolf-utah-state.html.csp

[blucrikmuley]

i read this sltrib article and fell out of my chair when it said the rancher needs to find other ways to protect his livestock (his livelyhood) other than shooting wolves. by installing fences, alarm systems, and lighting to deter a pack of wolves. COME ON !! GET A CLUE!! who wrote this crap and why didn't the sltrib editer delete such B.S.    ever been to the west?
ever been to Utah? ever heard of free range??? if he installs flood lights in your hunting honey hole, you will feel safe i'm sure!!  just make sure that 300 sheep stay under the lights  this is just the kind of politic crap that we will have to put up with on the Utah-Wolf issue.

[Unfair Advantage]

Yeah no joke.  Now the wolves will have a lighted dinner or kill rather than eating in the dark.

[9by10]

i like wolves, but not in utah.  they can put them in the parking lot at walmart so all the wolf lovers can see them kill their dogs and cats, then go after their babies. becuse when all the dogs and cats are gone they will go after the kids next.

[bow_dude]

I read the article and about threwup.   Scare tactics to scare the wolfs away from the livestock.  They fail to bring up the Idaho White Cloud wolf pack that had to be destroyed back in 2002 because they could not be trained to leave the live stock alone.  I read an article about it a few years ago and it gave more detail than what you can find now, but the end result was after setting up lights, noise makers and other scare tactic, the pack finally had to be destroyed.  All the noise just gave them music to eat by.  Most of the articles you find today are by wolf advocates who claim only 3 live stock were killed.  The fish and game reports state many more live stock were killed.  Interesting how the wolf lovers scew the truth and hide the destruction of this pack.  They don't want it publicly known how the wolf cannot be trained and regardless of how much training they receive, they just keep doing what they do best... kill... anything!!!  There is a real concern in Yellowstone that the public will keep feeding the wolves even though they (the public) have been told not to.  The wolves are becoming conditioned to humans and they (Park Rangers) are living in fear that soon, a wolf will stop looking at humans as food providers, but as a food source.  Gotta wonder when it happens how long it will be kept hidden from the public.

[bow_dude]

Correction..... it was the White Hawk wolf pack, not the White Cloud wolf pack that was destroyed.  Sad thing about this is after they destroyed the pack, they put back a new pack.  I wonder if the word got out among the wolfs that if you eat sheep or other livestock, they shoot you.  Certainly someone forgot to teach the wolfs that they are only allowed to eat the sick and the old.  At least that is the claim of the advocates.  Hmmmmmmmm.... guess that is another training lesson the wolfs were absent from the day it was taught.

[bow_dude]

Here is another story of wolf training success, This was February of this year:

"In January, wolves killed four calves and a cattle dog at a Sweet-Ola area feed lot.

Idaho Fish and Game worked with the producer and U.S. Department of Agriculture's Wildlife Services to stop depredations, but the wolves kept coming back.

After the first two calves were killed, Wildlife Services removed two wolves. The rest of the pack came back a few days later. After wolves killed two more calves and a cattle dog, Wildlife Services killed the remainder of the pack in early February...

Since September 2009, Idaho Fish and Game has authorized the removal of three wolf packs in response to chronic depredation similar the Sweet-Ola pack."

 "but the wolves kept coming back."  Sounds a lot like a song we used to sing as kids called "The Cat Came Back."

Man I love wolves..... "Save the Whales."  Maybe we ought to start a new reality tv show called "Wolf Wars."  Bet it would be a big hit.

[Unfair Advantage]

to be honest they did really well in Canada.  hundreds of thousands of caribou...  Our elk, deer, sheep and cow herds aren't so numerous.  No body every complained...  There was plenty of animals for them to feed and populate by.  Less people to intervene with.  Granted  yes the wolf needed some help to prevent extinction.  But the wolf comes from a world that didn't really mix well with the one that has become the western US.  Now that they are off of the endangered list.  Why introduce them into a world that doesn't support the life they need.  If they want to kill or feed...  Not the best idea to do it in a place where humans depend on that food.  how many thousands of permits are issued to thin herds of game animals?  They are so managed and issued to manage herds.  Why introduce a predator that really doesn't have a stopping point?  I say pack them up.  Take them to Canada.  Caribou die of old age more there than elk of deer do here.  Humans are a pretty good predator as it is.  Perhaps designing a better wolf enclosure at the zoos would be a better idea if they want to hear the wolf howl.  That way your child doesn't wake up to seeing the mangled body of "Muffy" the Shih tzu or "Puff Ball" the persian cat, or worse, thier friend next door.

[foreverbowhunter]

like blucrikmuley said with cows and sheep free range!!!!!! and what are the tree huggers do when wolfs get into feedlots and mcdonalds go out of business and they don't get there hamburger? I want do be able to go for a hike and not worry about wolfs attacking me. and can lion and bear hunters let there dogs loose with out worrying about wolfs killing there dogs. i cant remember where i seen this but on a web site there was a guy that let his hounds on a trail an he got to them they were all mangled up and wolf tracks around them! when we buy tags does the tax and some of the money go to transplanting wolfs?